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Morning Lineup – March 2

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England is the birthplace of Alice, the confused young lady who plunged down a rabbit hole and landed in an insane world where everything was illogical and backwards.  Everybody remembers the Queen of Hearts’ code of justice, “Sentence first, verdict afterwards!”

Lewis Carroll

Lewis Carroll

Lewis Carroll, the pseudonym of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (1832-1898), crafted a series of nonsensical stories for children’s amusement that have become classics in English literature of absurd actions and conclusions.  “Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”  It appears that the entire nation has now converted into Wonderland as the government partakes a rapidly-expanding move into the same sort of absurdity.

This conversion has been going on for a while now, but the fire/rescue/ems universe has recently taken notice of this after the police department along with the Crown prosecuter filed criminal manslaughter charges against three Warwickshire fire officers who were in command positions at a fire that killed four firefighters in 2007 (see the Firegeezer report HERE).  Here are three dedicated fire officers doing their best at a difficult fire scene and they are facing imprisonment because somebody wants to deliver a sentence first.  The anguish that all the firefighters and officers underwent at the time isn’t enough.  The justice system wants to exert its own authority and has chosen to persecute these men in order to elevate themselves, the police and prosecuters, to the authoritarian position of unelected rulers.

This trip down the rabbit hole has just generated another attack against the country’s emergency services.  Yesterday police arrested a firefighter in Somerset and charged him with the death of a farmer who was trampled by his own cows after the sound of a passing fire engine’s siren spooked them.  The incident happened back in August and the family claims that  the animals were “distressed by the emergency lights and sounds” of the fire engine which was responding to a vehicle accident.  The 75-yr.-old farmer was herding his 100 cows from one field to another when about 70 of them turned in a panic and ran back to where they had just come from, trampling and fatally injuring the farmer.  (Reported in the Daily Mail HERE.) 

After a six-month investigation, the police arrested the 49-yr.-old firefighter on “suspicion of manslaughter by negligence,” the same pet charge used by the Warwickshire police.  It wasn’t reported if the firefighter charged was the driver or the officer of the rig.

It’s obvious now that there is a mindset in the UK justice system that firefighters who are doing their jobs should be targeted criminally when things don’t turn out as well as they had hoped.  If this practice continues, there will come a day when nobody chooses to serve in the fire brigades.  As in the U. S. and other countries, they are dependent on volunteers/paid-on-call ff’s to provide essential emergecy services.  But that’s not going to happen any more if this insane practice of criminalizing honest life-saving efforts continues.

‘But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ said Alice. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the cat. ‘We’re all mad here.’

We’d better get our equipment checked out now before somebody files charges.  I need to get more coffee started.  We’ll meet back in the day room later (Members Only).

Update, Wednesday March 3:
We have an update for you today, and it just makes the prosecution’s actions even more “curiouser and curiouser” as our pal Alice used to day.

After we posted the article and linked to the story in the Daily Mail, the newspaper posted an updated version that had 4 new sentences inserted that weren’t there earlier.  They read:  ….as he and Richard moved the cows 100 yards along a country road a fire engine on its way to a 999 call approached from the opposite direction.    Richard, who was at the head of the herd, says the driver of the fire engine turned off the siren and lights as he approached.  However, after speaking to Richard he allegedly turned the siren and lights back on in an attempt to force his way through the cattle.  Harold, who was at the rear of the herd, had dismounted to try and calm the animals but he was trampled when they stampeded.

There’s no doubt that this makes it look even worse for the driver and officer of the fire engine, especially the officer.  But I’m wondering if that’s what it is designed to do?  Let’s look at a couple of things, first I would like to know why these four sentences were missing from the earlier edition.  Is the newspaper trying to stay on the police department’s good side by selectively releasing information?  Or more likely, is the prosecutor’s office only releasing some of the evidence?  Are they trying to subtly influence the jury pool?  By now, you have probably noticed that we have not been told any part of the firefighter’s side of the story.  Nothing.  We don’t even know which member of the fire brigade is being charged, let alone his version of the events.  Remember, this is six months later. 

The Devon and Somerset Fire Department has refused to comment, but somebody’s talking out there.  I am not so much concerned about the level of guilt in this case as I am about the motives of the prosecutors and police.  This growing practice of placing criminal charges against firefighters who are performing under emergency conditions is not good.

  • http://twitter.com/firehat firehat

    Fantastic commentary. The UK criminal justice system has been going deeper snd deeper down this rabbit hole for a long time. That being said, there are some in the American fire service who probably think this is something we should try.

  • Dan

    That is a bunch of Bullshit!

  • Dal90

    I believe that would be, at a minimum, an infraction under Connecticut law. I could see an argument for a manslaughter charge, not that I would expect a State's Attorney to want to touch that with a ten foot cattle prod.

    CGS 14-268(b)
    (b) Persons guiding cattle or other livestock across the highway shall yield the right-of-way to any authorized emergency vehicle, as defined in section 14-1, approaching such person and emitting any audible signal or displaying or making any visual signal reasonably indicating that such vehicle is being operated in an emergency situation. Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to relieve the driver of such an authorized emergency vehicle from any duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway…

    The farmer has an obligation to get his cows off the road.
    The apparatus driver has an obligation not to take action that causes them to panic and endanger other users of the highway.

    Statutes like the one above is one reason I do not believe Connecticut statutes should be interpreted to mean the continuous sounding of a siren is required. There are legitimate situations it is inappropriate, such as the situation above. When we used to have an active chicken farming industry here there were areas sirens weren't used due to inducing panic (and thus death, i.e. destruction of property) of the cooped birds. Farms would even have signs when you drove onto their property asking you to turn off headlights, since headlights shining into coop windows would cause unnecessary deaths.

  • http://www.thefirestore.com/ James Witmer

    Just posted a link on TheFireStore's fan page. The response should be interesting.

  • Lloyd Hatcher

    I always have thought the English were a little screwed up in the haed. Guess that is why we are a separate country. Nothing new here!

  • firedispatcher

    Un-freakin'-believable!

  • Firedog

    I have an idea, if the damn chickens are so fragile. Build the coop AWAY from the damn highway! If the lights and siren are not on keeping the animals calm, then guess what, the driver is not doing his job of letting the public know he is responding to and emergency. Where has all of the comon sense gone. How long had that farmer been listening to the siren getting closer, and closer, and closer……oh my god ITS A FIRE ENGINE THAT NEEDS TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD! HE SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!

  • janet

    I'm going to advocate for that farmer, and the cows, and the kids that may be on bicycles, and the old couple that can't hear sh– and shouldn't maybe be driving, and any vulnerable or unaware creature not hardwired to understand loud, human noises: I have been responding since '82. There are very few emergencies that warrant fast driving and very few occasions that people calmly pull over for sirens. Maybe some brilliant designer can come up with new methods of requesting drivers to pull over. Meanwhile, if we are in this to assist the ill and injured, we should consider not making more of them by driving in a manner which endangers.I live in a rural area, and fortunately our people do not routinely regard noise and speed as entitlements: adrenaline rushes for personal glorification. The responders were not intentionally negligent, but maybe EMSneeds to consider a new paradigm for responding, especially in rural areas with large animals.

  • Richard

    Next they will be charging military commanders who lose troops. The inmates are running the asylum in the UK

  • robertgift

    In slightly similar situations, I slow and turn off das blinkin lights when approaching riders on horseback along or near the roadway.
    (To be considerate of the public, we are silent anyway, sounding the siren only as needed.)

  • dustymedic

    Firefighters all over England should just go, “Well; since you all seem to feel that we are common criminals, We are all going to stay home for one week to lower the criminal activity around here”.

  • Hicoor

    Common sense people. The apparatus operator had to expect some kind of a reaction from the cows. I don’t believe he intended to kill the civilian, but that was the result of his actions. If we come to an intersection with traffic bottled up we shut our siren down for the very same reason, to keep the public from hurting themselves or others with what they may do. These are people that from an early driving age have been taught to pull to the side of the road and grant us the “right of way”. In spite of that we’ve all seen them do stupid things in the presents of lights and sirens. We are asking for the “right of way” and should never be “blowing traffic (or cows)” off the road with our horn/lights/and sirens. To expect cows (the dumbest of farm animals) to act rationally is pure stupidity on our part. I guess we can all agree that the AO got the cows to move, killing the farmer and I assume missing the original call. Nicely done (sarcasm intended).

  • firegeezer

    Hicoor,

    I don't think anybody is disputing the fact that whoever blasted the siren did the wrong thing. Being a country fire station, he no doubt knew that is wasn't a wise decision. But that is not the point here. The discussion has to do with this new trend of the police departments to place criminal charges against firefighters for mistakes made during emergency incidents.

    To make emergency workers criminally liable for bad decisions will rapidly lead to nobody making decisions about anything. Also notice that it has not been reported who has been charged in this case. It could have been either the officer or the driver.

    Firegeezer

  • NJFF

    In the US, some states (such as New Jersey, where I am from) require by law that emergency lights and sirens be on at all times when responding to an emergency and requesting the right of way from other motorists. In fact, a driver of a fire truck may get into trouble if in an accident and the siren and lights were not on.

  • Robert Gift

    Fortunately our statutes allow EV drivers to think and act accordingly: “… lights or siren …”
    I try to be as quiet and unobtrusive as possible.
    If no one is present or affected by the EV, I keep the siren in Manual. (Technically, the siren is “ON”, just not sounding.) Approaching red intersections, I do two cycles of Wail with final coast down as we enter the intersection. If traffic has not stopped, keep Wail going.
    I never trust that the siren is heard, especially in today's better sound-insulated vehicles with air conditioning and excellent stereos.
    Siren is simply an extra tool whose effectiveness varies greatly.

    Yelp tends to panic some people. We avoid Yelp unless Wail is not being effective.
    Hyperyelp and electric air horn worthless gimmicks.

    On a highway or Interstate, does anyone else shut down when moving from left lane to right to get to an exit ramp?
    I do, always using turn signals for every lane change, turn, and pulling away from curb.

  • justin342

    This is ridculouse these XXXXXX cops are scumbags. How are you going to ruin a mans life for a freak accident? why else is the reason that the siren and lights are on there huh? this man was responding to a emergency to help another person and your now gonna ruin this mans life SCUMBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • janet

    I must respectfully disagree with you on this. I think that operating an ambulance without regard to causing potential injury to other drivers, kids, animals or ourselves detracts from our stated mission as people who are supposed to save lives. The death to the farmer was not intended but could possibly have been prevented with caution and this common sense that we all claim to have. Perhaps the ambulance people did not realize the sirens would send the animals into a panic. What EMS and Fire depts. do not need are yahoos who believe it is their right to drive as fast and make as much noise as they want regardless of who or what might be in their way. It is about time the trauma-junkies found other sources for their adrenaline rushes and remember their prime objective should be to advocate for and professionally serve those who are experiencing life and limb threatening crises, not be a personal power trip for them. This was a very sad situation for all involved. Rather than demonize the British court system, we should be increasing our skills and states with mandatory continuous siren rules might want to see if evidence supports the presumption that this promotes safety or further endangers motorists, pedestrians, ambulances and animals, large and small.

  • guywitaxe

    First off, my condolences to the family,
    Here is a situation of two authorities and only one side can 'coup' the others actions. I've never heard of a paramedic or fire professional arresting a policing agent due to obstructing their actions or endangering their crew in traffic or otherwise, and yet lives are at risk in all cases. Is this a case of one upping the other, or several drunken night discussions at the pub because 'Tom' was crying in his beer to 'Dick' and 'Harry' said I'll see that there's justice done? Should the farmer at the age of 75 been farming? If he were 35 would that have made a difference? Should he have stayed put? If the Driver waited quietly and the delay caused the call patient to die, would he then be responsible for the patients death? was due diligence done?
    Consequently had this been a police officer responding to a call, would they have waited patiently (if they were chasing a criminal bent on killing, what then?)
    Once again this is a classic paradigm of society sacrificing the lamb to appease the Gods. No one is responsible but someone is to blame, having got up that morning not knowing their life might change forever.
    This wreaks of ordering a hot coffee (don't know who orders cold coffee unless you're in Italy) and blaming the server for spilling it on yourself as you drove away. In order to process coffee it must be above body temperature. (if you want a good coffee order an espresso…)
    This is a case where Old World met New World and there are no laws that address this. In Chicago it is still illegal to bring a cow into your home because of O'Learys' cow knocking over a lantern that 'burned down' Chicago. We have protocols that serve to protect us and the public, when they fail and were left standing in the rain, there is ONLY the GLOBAL BROTHERHOOD standing behind us…

  • guywitaxe

    First off, my condolences to the family,
    Here is a situation of two authorities and only one side can 'coup' the others actions. I've never heard of a paramedic or fire professional arresting a policing agent due to obstructing their actions or endangering their crew in traffic or otherwise, and yet lives are at risk in all cases. Is this a case of one upping the other, or several drunken night discussions at the pub because 'Tom' was crying in his beer to 'Dick' and 'Harry' said I'll see that there's justice done? Should the farmer at the age of 75 been farming? If he were 35 would that have made a difference? Should he have stayed put? If the Driver waited quietly and the delay caused the call patient to die, would he then be responsible for the patients death? was due diligence done?
    Consequently had this been a police officer responding to a call, would they have waited patiently (if they were chasing a criminal bent on killing, what then?)
    Once again this is a classic paradigm of society sacrificing the lamb to appease the Gods. No one is responsible but someone is to blame, having got up that morning not knowing their life might change forever.
    This wreaks of ordering a hot coffee (don't know who orders cold coffee unless you're in Italy) and blaming the server for spilling it on yourself as you drove away. In order to process coffee it must be above body temperature. (if you want a good coffee order an espresso…)
    This is a case where Old World met New World and there are no laws that address this. In Chicago it is still illegal to bring a cow into your home because of O'Learys' cow knocking over a lantern that 'burned down' Chicago. We have protocols that serve to protect us and the public, when they fail and were left standing in the rain, there is ONLY the GLOBAL BROTHERHOOD standing behind us…

  • guywitaxe

    First off, my condolences to the family,
    Here is a situation of two authorities and only one side can 'coup' the others actions. I've never heard of a paramedic or fire professional arresting a policing agent due to obstructing their actions or endangering their crew in traffic or otherwise, and yet lives are at risk in all cases. Is this a case of one upping the other, or several drunken night discussions at the pub because 'Tom' was crying in his beer to 'Dick' and 'Harry' said I'll see that there's justice done? Should the farmer at the age of 75 been farming? If he were 35 would that have made a difference? Should he have stayed put? If the Driver waited quietly and the delay caused the call patient to die, would he then be responsible for the patients death? was due diligence done?
    Consequently had this been a police officer responding to a call, would they have waited patiently (if they were chasing a criminal bent on killing, what then?)
    Once again this is a classic paradigm of society sacrificing the lamb to appease the Gods. No one is responsible but someone is to blame, having got up that morning not knowing their life might change forever.
    This wreaks of ordering a hot coffee (don't know who orders cold coffee unless you're in Italy) and blaming the server for spilling it on yourself as you drove away. In order to process coffee it must be above body temperature. (if you want a good coffee order an espresso…)
    This is a case where Old World met New World and there are no laws that address this. In Chicago it is still illegal to bring a cow into your home because of O'Learys' cow knocking over a lantern that 'burned down' Chicago. We have protocols that serve to protect us and the public, when they fail and were left standing in the rain, there is ONLY the GLOBAL BROTHERHOOD standing behind us…

  • guywitaxe

    First off, my condolences to the family,
    Here is a situation of two authorities and only one side can 'coup' the others actions. I've never heard of a paramedic or fire professional arresting a policing agent due to obstructing their actions or endangering their crew in traffic or otherwise, and yet lives are at risk in all cases. Is this a case of one upping the other, or several drunken night discussions at the pub because 'Tom' was crying in his beer to 'Dick' and 'Harry' said I'll see that there's justice done? Should the farmer at the age of 75 been farming? If he were 35 would that have made a difference? Should he have stayed put? If the Driver waited quietly and the delay caused the call patient to die, would he then be responsible for the patients death? was due diligence done?
    Consequently had this been a police officer responding to a call, would they have waited patiently (if they were chasing a criminal bent on killing, what then?)
    Once again this is a classic paradigm of society sacrificing the lamb to appease the Gods. No one is responsible but someone is to blame, having got up that morning not knowing their life might change forever.
    This wreaks of ordering a hot coffee (don't know who orders cold coffee unless you're in Italy) and blaming the server for spilling it on yourself as you drove away. In order to process coffee it must be above body temperature. (if you want a good coffee order an espresso…)
    This is a case where Old World met New World and there are no laws that address this. In Chicago it is still illegal to bring a cow into your home because of O'Learys' cow knocking over a lantern that 'burned down' Chicago. We have protocols that serve to protect us and the public, when they fail and were left standing in the rain, there is ONLY the GLOBAL BROTHERHOOD standing behind us…