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Morning Lineup – August 4

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“Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts…”

The famous warning that Virgil penned in his tale of the Trojan horse has proven true again and again down through the centuries and is just as applicable today.  That was the first thing that I thought of when one of our readers sent me the link to a .pdf document posted by the American Forest and Paper Association.  I should add that in this modern era, we should extend the definition of “gifts” to include statistics.  Because once you hand over a batch of numbers, surveys and reports to a public relations firm, then there’s no telling how many different conclusions you can pull out from them.

This particular PR document is titled:  Wood I-Joists and Firefighter Safety.  You can find it HERE and bring it up in a separate window to read along with me, if you wish.  It’s a very colorful 20-page (very short pages) file with lots of pictures and pie charts.  I’m really not certain just who the target audience is for this file, but if it’s supposed to be primarily for firefighters, then it’s insulting.  I’m guessing that it’s just something put together that they can wave around before legislative and building groups showing that they “really care” about firefighters and are doing all this to help us out while dispelling these dangerous myths about how their wood-chips-and-glue building products are unsafe.

On page 2 they tell us that this document “provides information on the relationship between wood I-joists and firefighter casualties.”  You see, right away they are tossing aside things like FF injuries, close calls and the incovenient facts about total building destruction.  Then we get about four pages of nice photos of these fabricated joists showing how and where they are used.

Next up comes a promise to look at How Fire Safe Are Homes With Wood I-Joists? with some emphasis on firefighter safety.  This is followed by some nice pie charts and graphs showing how many FF’s and home occupants have died in house fires in the past 10 years and what the causes of house fires have been during that time.  Then they go into the numbers of firefighter fatalities during that time from floor collapses.

This is where you have to be careful.  They are extrapolating all firefighter deaths from floor collapse based on statistics accumulated when there were hardly any house fires involving wood chip floor joists.  Two things you have to watch out for are:  a) so far, the percentage of  existing homes built this way is very low.  So by combining the stats from traditional-built houses they are diluting the inherent dangers of the construction method; and b) generally speaking, newer homes as a group have lower fire incident rates.  It isn’t until a new subdivision has about 10 years of age on it before fire activity picks up in it.

Keep that in mind as you go through the next few pages of statistical charts.  One of those is interesting for a couple of reasons.  They have a map of the states showing the percentage of homes in each that have basements.  Just for pure enlightenment, I found that interesting.  But for the PR value, they are now narrowing the focus of their report down even further by suggesting that only homes with basements are the real danger, ostensibly because basements have exposed floor joists.  Maybe we should show them some of these wood-chip houses where the top floor is sitting on the concrete pad by the time the 1st-due engine arrives.

Are you getting the idea now on how to look at statistical reports from special-interest groups?  Go ahead and finish looking through the rest of this slick report and share with us in the Comments some of the other carefully guided conclusions that they are hoping to leave you with.

That’s after we check this equipment out, of course.  I’ve got to go get the coffee started.  We’ll meet in the day room and talk over what you found in the “report.”

Thanks to FireTech1 for bringing this to the lineup today.

  • http://www.moorestownfire.org/ TOHSO31

    Thanks for circulating this excellent example of propaganda “spin”. Hopefully departments which have taken a proactive approach to building intelligence will recogize the shameless attempt to justify profits over safety. What really needs to be done now is educate the home-buying consumer.

  • http://www.moorestownfire.org TOHSO31

    Thanks for circulating this excellent example of propaganda “spin”. Hopefully departments which have taken a proactive approach to building intelligence will recogize the shameless attempt to justify profits over safety. What really needs to be done now is educate the home-buying consumer.

  • http://www.moorestownfire.org/ TOHSO31

    One last comment: perhaps some of the “declining statistics” in firefighter fatalities can be easily explained by education: we found out how deady they really are and started adjusting our tactics to suit….

  • http://www.moorestownfire.org TOHSO31

    One last comment: perhaps some of the “declining statistics” in firefighter fatalities can be easily explained by education: we found out how deady they really are and started adjusting our tactics to suit….

  • rstic

    Slide 17 says it all:
    Feature Fire Effect
    • Larger homes
    • Open floor plans
    • Faster fire propagation
    • Increased fire loads
    • Floor/ceiling/attic voids
    • Shorter time to flashover
    • Shorter escape times
    • New building materials
    • Shorter time to structural collapse

  • rstic

    Slide 17 says it all:
    Feature Fire Effect
    • Larger homes
    • Open floor plans
    • Faster fire propagation
    • Increased fire loads
    • Floor/ceiling/attic voids
    • Shorter time to flashover
    • Shorter escape times
    • New building materials
    • Shorter time to structural collapse

  • Mike Gavlik RRFD

    What a croc! I love how the one page of facts by an independent tester (UL) is glossed over without any of their comments and their summary is basically, it’s popular. Yeah, with who? Money makers. That’s who. Thanks for the article.

  • Mike Gavlik RRFD

    What a croc! I love how the one page of facts by an independent tester (UL) is glossed over without any of their comments and their summary is basically, it’s popular. Yeah, with who? Money makers. That’s who. Thanks for the article.

  • Brian Gary, Lt. FDFC

    Thanks for putting the info out there. Billy and his guys picked up on this one too, and hopefully the message from the fire service will help to filter some of the BS these building industry scumbags are releasing.

    Interesting isnt it how easily one can assign value when they are the ones making the charts and graphs? I found it utterly disgusting that they hid the reality of our brothers dying by creating an under exagerated x-axis line for FF deaths, and using a data trend for the y-axis that, as you pointed out, is not even relevant. There has been no reduction in line of duty deaths. The reduction in occupant deaths is wholly attributable to the public education and other innovations that came out of the America Burning study.

    And to think, these same great folks want to stop residential sprinklers and code improvements. I didnt even know what great friends of ours they are until I read their little propaganda sheet. Hopefully the author of this little gem will come and spend some time on the big red trucks and get a chance to see just how “safe” these things are when wet, incorrectly installed, and/or burning. One or two collapses or near misses ought to help clear it up no?

    The southeastern US has seen phenominal growth over the past 10 years. The economics boom (that was) and the numerous devastating storms have left in there wake, whole cities that are constructed almost entirely with some form of lightwieght components in them. My job is certainly no exception to this rule.

    As a result, my companies have been instructed to assume all structures are in fact lightweight until proven otherwise. They have standing orders to start opening up as soon as they enter a structure and to report the type of structural components they find to the IC. It has already paid off on several occasions by keeping us looking for alternative means of entry. We look for the shortest and most direct routes CONTINUALLY. We are still dedicated to aggressive tactics and interior operations, we just try to limit the amount of realestate over our heads while we are doing it.

    Thanks again and stay safe Brothers.

  • Brian Gary, Lt. FDFC

    Thanks for putting the info out there. Billy and his guys picked up on this one too, and hopefully the message from the fire service will help to filter some of the BS these building industry scumbags are releasing.

    Interesting isnt it how easily one can assign value when they are the ones making the charts and graphs? I found it utterly disgusting that they hid the reality of our brothers dying by creating an under exagerated x-axis line for FF deaths, and using a data trend for the y-axis that, as you pointed out, is not even relevant. There has been no reduction in line of duty deaths. The reduction in occupant deaths is wholly attributable to the public education and other innovations that came out of the America Burning study.

    And to think, these same great folks want to stop residential sprinklers and code improvements. I didnt even know what great friends of ours they are until I read their little propaganda sheet. Hopefully the author of this little gem will come and spend some time on the big red trucks and get a chance to see just how “safe” these things are when wet, incorrectly installed, and/or burning. One or two collapses or near misses ought to help clear it up no?

    The southeastern US has seen phenominal growth over the past 10 years. The economics boom (that was) and the numerous devastating storms have left in there wake, whole cities that are constructed almost entirely with some form of lightwieght components in them. My job is certainly no exception to this rule.

    As a result, my companies have been instructed to assume all structures are in fact lightweight until proven otherwise. They have standing orders to start opening up as soon as they enter a structure and to report the type of structural components they find to the IC. It has already paid off on several occasions by keeping us looking for alternative means of entry. We look for the shortest and most direct routes CONTINUALLY. We are still dedicated to aggressive tactics and interior operations, we just try to limit the amount of realestate over our heads while we are doing it.

    Thanks again and stay safe Brothers.

  • http://UOSH.Utah.gov/ Evelyn

    I sat in my 3rd floor office last year in downtown SLC and watched a 6-story condo constructed nextdoor. The bottom two floors and some underground was post-tensioned concrete due to the parking garage. The upper four floors were constructed of wood frame and wafer board.

    In a previous life I was a commercial lines insurance inspector and the premiums alone on a building like this could have paid for the rest of the concrete in a short few years, folowing construction and sale. I wonder if the new tennants know that? In my present life as first a Compliance Officer and now OSHA Consultant for State of Utah, I shudder to think what one neighbor falling to sleep while smokeing might do to the whole structure.

    I have seen several such buildings go up here and wondered where the building code people went. I now work with Public Employers, such as Fire Services, to help them stay safe and healthy in their jobs. It sure makes the job harder for everyone. No life is worth this cost.

  • http://UOSH.Utah.gov Evelyn

    I sat in my 3rd floor office last year in downtown SLC and watched a 6-story condo constructed nextdoor. The bottom two floors and some underground was post-tensioned concrete due to the parking garage. The upper four floors were constructed of wood frame and wafer board.

    In a previous life I was a commercial lines insurance inspector and the premiums alone on a building like this could have paid for the rest of the concrete in a short few years, folowing construction and sale. I wonder if the new tennants know that? In my present life as first a Compliance Officer and now OSHA Consultant for State of Utah, I shudder to think what one neighbor falling to sleep while smokeing might do to the whole structure.

    I have seen several such buildings go up here and wondered where the building code people went. I now work with Public Employers, such as Fire Services, to help them stay safe and healthy in their jobs. It sure makes the job harder for everyone. No life is worth this cost.