Comments on: Tell Us What You Think http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/ The Fire/EMS Digital Dayroom Wed, 23 May 2012 14:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Chris http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1995 Chris Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:58:29 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-1995 We use this technique as well although with a halligan and normally it is only used on the newer houses that have steep pitched roofs. I think we are a bit critical of the saw depth here. The fact that he has it buried here tells me that the saw is not going through the wall studs otherwise he would know it. I think I will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't do the same depth when he went parallel with the ridge. Also in my opinion, the ease in which the axe/halligan being sunk into that roof is additional indicator of the roof integrity in that area. I actually feel its kinda hard to lean out the required 4'(4'x4' hole) from a ladder without a foot keeping me more stable. I see so many pictures of people not using roof ladders at all so I am happy to see them being safe. We use this technique as well although with a halligan and normally it is only used on the newer houses that have steep pitched roofs. I think we are a bit critical of the saw depth here. The fact that he has it buried here tells me that the saw is not going through the wall studs otherwise he would know it. I think I will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn’t do the same depth when he went parallel with the ridge. Also in my opinion, the ease in which the axe/halligan being sunk into that roof is additional indicator of the roof integrity in that area. I actually feel its kinda hard to lean out the required 4′(4′x4′ hole) from a ladder without a foot keeping me more stable. I see so many pictures of people not using roof ladders at all so I am happy to see them being safe.

]]> By: Chris http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-13708 Chris Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-13708 We use this technique as well although with a halligan and normally it is only used on the newer houses that have steep pitched roofs. I think we are a bit critical of the saw depth here. The fact that he has it buried here tells me that the saw is not going through the wall studs otherwise he would know it. I think I will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't do the same depth when he went parallel with the ridge. Also in my opinion, the ease in which the axe/halligan being sunk into that roof is additional indicator of the roof integrity in that area. I actually feel its kinda hard to lean out the required 4'(4'x4' hole) from a ladder without a foot keeping me more stable. I see so many pictures of people not using roof ladders at all so I am happy to see them being safe. We use this technique as well although with a halligan and normally it is only used on the newer houses that have steep pitched roofs. I think we are a bit critical of the saw depth here. The fact that he has it buried here tells me that the saw is not going through the wall studs otherwise he would know it. I think I will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn’t do the same depth when he went parallel with the ridge. Also in my opinion, the ease in which the axe/halligan being sunk into that roof is additional indicator of the roof integrity in that area. I actually feel its kinda hard to lean out the required 4′(4′x4′ hole) from a ladder without a foot keeping me more stable. I see so many pictures of people not using roof ladders at all so I am happy to see them being safe.

]]> By: Mike http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1994 Mike Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:48:42 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-1994 My question is why are they opening the roof to begin with? The picture clearly shows a window with a ladder to it yet no smoke seems to be anywhere. Even if there was some fire under that roof, it is still relatively easier to get it from the underside. I have been retired a few years and it has been many moons since the training academy, but it seems like now on even a simple room and contents in a 1 story rancher they open the roof. In the bygone days, we only opened the roof on a well advanced attic fire, a balloon frame structure, or to support a firewall. The practice may be taught now, but it looks to be an unsafe one to me. My question is why are they opening the roof to begin with? The picture clearly shows a window with a ladder to it yet no smoke seems to be anywhere. Even if there was some fire under that roof, it is still relatively easier to get it from the underside. I have been retired a few years and it has been many moons since the training academy, but it seems like now on even a simple room and contents in a 1 story rancher they open the roof. In the bygone days, we only opened the roof on a well advanced attic fire, a balloon frame structure, or to support a firewall. The practice may be taught now, but it looks to be an unsafe one to me.

]]> By: Mike http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-13707 Mike Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:48:00 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-13707 My question is why are they opening the roof to begin with? The picture clearly shows a window with a ladder to it yet no smoke seems to be anywhere. Even if there was some fire under that roof, it is still relatively easier to get it from the underside. I have been retired a few years and it has been many moons since the training academy, but it seems like now on even a simple room and contents in a 1 story rancher they open the roof. In the bygone days, we only opened the roof on a well advanced attic fire, a balloon frame structure, or to support a firewall. The practice may be taught now, but it looks to be an unsafe one to me. My question is why are they opening the roof to begin with? The picture clearly shows a window with a ladder to it yet no smoke seems to be anywhere. Even if there was some fire under that roof, it is still relatively easier to get it from the underside. I have been retired a few years and it has been many moons since the training academy, but it seems like now on even a simple room and contents in a 1 story rancher they open the roof. In the bygone days, we only opened the roof on a well advanced attic fire, a balloon frame structure, or to support a firewall. The practice may be taught now, but it looks to be an unsafe one to me.

]]> By: Henry http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1990 Henry Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:10:42 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-1990 They tech us this, but I don't use it I don't think it is safe. They tech us this, but I don’t use it I don’t think it is safe.

]]> By: Henry http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-13703 Henry Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:10:00 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-13703 They tech us this, but I don't use it I don't think it is safe. They tech us this, but I don’t use it I don’t think it is safe.

]]> By: Robert Allard http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1991 Robert Allard Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:16:10 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-1991 I have been taught to use a Haglin tool, but just make sure its in the roof good. Have seen this done at a fire school. Bob I have been taught to use a Haglin tool, but just make sure its in the roof good. Have seen this done at a fire school.

Bob

]]> By: Robert Allard http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-13704 Robert Allard Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:16:00 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-13704 I have been taught to use a Haglin tool, but just make sure its in the roof good. Have seen this done at a fire school. Bob I have been taught to use a Haglin tool, but just make sure its in the roof good. Have seen this done at a fire school.

Bob

]]> By: RGoodell http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 RGoodell Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:08:09 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-1992 Hi Bill, This is taught and practiced in Maine as well. I can understand how it might raise an eyebrow or two, especially among the old-scool crowd, but it really works quite well. I am not familiar with any negative event involving this footing technique in the State of Maine. Rick Goodell Past-Chief, Etna, Maine "The YouTube Chief" Hi Bill,

This is taught and practiced in Maine as well. I can understand how it might raise an eyebrow or two, especially among the old-scool crowd, but it really works quite well.

I am not familiar with any negative event involving this footing technique in the State of Maine.

Rick Goodell
Past-Chief, Etna, Maine
“The YouTube Chief”

]]> By: RGoodell http://firegeezer.com/2009/02/17/tell-us-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-13705 RGoodell Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:08:00 +0000 http://www.firegeezer.com/?p=7664#comment-13705 Hi Bill, This is taught and practiced in Maine as well. I can understand how it might raise an eyebrow or two, especially among the old-scool crowd, but it really works quite well. I am not familiar with any negative event involving this footing technique in the State of Maine. Rick Goodell Past-Chief, Etna, Maine "The YouTube Chief" Hi Bill,

This is taught and practiced in Maine as well. I can understand how it might raise an eyebrow or two, especially among the old-scool crowd, but it really works quite well.

I am not familiar with any negative event involving this footing technique in the State of Maine.

Rick Goodell
Past-Chief, Etna, Maine
“The YouTube Chief”

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